CNM Tech Board 2023-05-02

CNM Tech Board 2023-05-02 is the meeting of CNM Technology Board‎ that occurred on May 2nd, 2023. CNM Tech Board 2023-04-26 is the predecessor event; CNM Tech Board 2023-05-10 is the successor event.

Meeting subject

We were testing the possibility of streaming with Jitsi and Youtube and discussing the possibility of adding a streaming feature to Educaship Jitsi instances and using Avideo instead of YouTube. We also discussed our CNM Jitsi challenges and potential contractors who responded to the proposal on Upwork and decided that we would hold meetings with experts but not give access to our CNM Jitsi until we hire them.

Result of the meeting: an instruction for streaming.

Video

https://youtu.be/rGLcVQ2pyKQ

Script

We're like, what do we have going on, I mean where are we on Jitsi, on people? I mean again, I would like to take someone already and let the person work, and we're already there to look further and learn more. And also Sonya said that many are asking, I quickly looked that many are asking for access, which for me is not really, you can theoretically, Natalia can do a VM, but what will that access give them, yes that is for what, to see? Did we put Jitsi right or didn't we put it right. Well we need a solution, if we're talking about the balancer And generally all sorts of cluster build yes, it's a different task, who cares what it is now, we need to see what we want to do, not what is there.

That's what I think, most likely too, that they want to see exactly what's really there and try it out with their hands. I've noticed that for a lot of these contractors usually, I mean, if the customer gives us access to something, then we're already going the right way.

For them, it might just be like...

the money's coming in, we're closer to the money. Well, yes. Okay, please show us what we've got, this is going live, can we watch this live broadcast?

This is to try what we want. It's on YouTube right now, I think it's on.

will you teach me then how, I mean they, YouTube asked me what kind of video conference you use there and I didn't know what to tell me, I mean I should just point like Jitsi and that's it, right? No, no, no, it's the other way around. Yeah, I didn't specify anything on YouTube, I just clicked

create a broadcast, then they gave me a broadcast key, I went into Jitsi, there's also a "start broadcast" function and you have to enter that key.

Yes, that's what I need, and let's do it, let's try it anyway: that is, the more different these things, the better, and it will turn out that we'll sort of start new people already, send them to Stream and they will ask questions, but they won't participate.

Well okay, that's cool, that we're going somewhere that's good. Will you show it, yeah, can I see it? I wonder what it looks like. I'll send you the link, tell me if it's her or not, because I do not understand a little. Oh, exactly how do you send the link? Yeah, that's the link. Oh, I see.

It turns out that on YouTube, when the broadcast is over, it will be immediately saved to YouTube, that is already as a variant of the recording is obtained.

I've got "waiting for user mix."

and if you click on it, then yes

Show me, maybe it's on the screen? maybe it's just a link to the video should be? there's a "share". I'll try to show it now.

I can see it now.

Here it says "live", here it comes our image,

the connection is good, here you can finish the broadcast. That's pretty cool. And if you right-click, is there any way to share the link, so that it's a normal link? Because this one here, it's kind of different, yeah.

I saw where to share, but I can't find

There's some links, I copied that one.

yeah, yeah I looked, but I started echoing, so...

Shutting down

I cut Sonya [laughs]

Well cool yeah yeah cool

I'll write a tutorial later on how to do the stream.

and we had to wait 24 hours

We only had to wait 24 hours the first time, I already waited 24 hours.

That's what we looked then, that we have on our copies of Jitsi and it turns out there to start, we just wanted to feel exactly how it happens

what you're doing, you're doing it right.

And it turns out that not all of our Jitsi copies have the "live broadcast" function; in order to do so, we need to add this function.

This is also an additional question for our contractors.

So you're saying, except for today, yesterday was fine?

well with mine it's hard for me to judge because I can't see how it goes, I mean I did so, I made two laptops, on one I made one wifi, on the other one the other and I tried to watch periodically as the quality is so Well so more or less normal, but it worked already in principle well stable enough. But I can't really judge, like, what the quality was like for other people, because I kind of, like, well I heard people who were talking good quality

Google Meet was better quality because then we switched to Google Meet, Google Meet was better quality

Why did you switch? Because you're getting bogged down.

Oh, today? Yeah, I'm the one who switched to today.

but we need to work, I mean we're going in the right direction, we just need to finish it already, so that it went absolutely stable cool and put and God willing we are someone.... And on which one, Sonya have you already given Natalya someone or what?

No, that's what I wanted to talk to you about today.

I think I look at this thing and I do not see, I see some candidates and sometimes some ads, but I think I do not see any correspondence.

The one that asks for correspondence - you have to enter the chat room. That is, you see there enter into chat? That is, it will not show you right away and you need to enter the chat in my case is like this.

I do not see it for some reason, I am looking, now I show my screen

So so so a demonstration

here's the Jitsi ones we're on now, they work more confidently than Google Meet for me.

And so what you get is let's say "expert needed," here's the message

Here and

click on someone.

Here I was sort of corresponding with Theodore.

Here and so you're having a normal chat

But where exactly do you see them, all the candidates? I don't understand.

There are five candidates, here are all invitations. I invited eight more no one... They are only five, which is very little, but how much is there, because I put on a temporary it, but you can try to invite them more, as it were. That is, you can basically try to invite here, you can still separately make an account at freelancer.ua and look specifically let's say in Ukraine.

Ah, unanswered invitation, because I thought their large number, I think where they went all.

No, no, there's a small number of them, there's as many as you have, you see everything, it's okay.

This one doesn't answer from Latvia.

Well, they won't answer.

There are always sort of people who click and then they have something change or something

Natalia, have you looked at Jitsi?

I haven't looked at anything, Natalya.

Yes, interesting offers there of course, and on these, on MediaWiki there are some models of Zoha, which is something else.

MediaWiki I think to remake PHP announcement, look for someone already, that is, we will take someone now well as a temporary, in general, look for I think it's easier specialists in PHP, and who know PHP, they have MediaWiki to deal with

Here's PHP, LDAP, I'm sure someone who knows that would solve the problem.

Can I say that this is the version that today found how to sign, how to collect everything, because to sign instead of Jitsi another word turns out to be such a mess, that's where let's say you write the same word in five files in different places. But so far it's not critical, as long as it works, so it works, we have to find it to work steadily, then we will decorate it, bring beauty [laughter] only if it works, only if it stands only if there could live conferences and do everything else

With the streamer it worked at least we saw how it should be.

This is good. This is good progress. I like this progress.

so good, what else did we have there today? Well, in general, I wanted to make such a topic "our products for web conferencing" to talk a little about what we have, but I also wanted to talk about candidates today, but in principle, I just personally don’t know what to ask them, It seems to me that they should already be given to Natalya, there are only 5 of them.

Well, I’m not all of them good, or they are all, that is, you wrote something to me there, but I honestly say so.

Only one said that he could solve only one of all the problems and wrote a little, and all the rest wrote quite a lot, saying "yes, I understand this, I can do it, let's call"

Let's call up, because again for us to find a person is one problem,

but to discuss with someone and just hear what people say, what people want - this is another task and we can find a solution to problems without even hiring a person, just by interviewing

For us, for me, this is one of such big tasks - to find an architecture, how best we can put our Jitsi in such a way that they work consistently with high quality so that we are not ashamed of them so that at least nothing falls and we can start the conference and complete the conference, this is the main task. How to put it, where to put it - that's another question, now it costs, as I understand it, in Germany, Contabo server

Yes, yes it's on 106

Well, now the quality is good on my part, the sound is cool, and not we are now on Jitsi on theirs, not on ours.

Well, in general, they have large loads, we should not have worse quality than theirs

Well, it used to be better, before we compared it with Misha, we compared both with this one with a zoom, so we compared with Jitsi, as it were, with their server, on which we are now. Ours then, which stood at that time, in my opinion it was on the digital ocean, I could be wrong, maybe yes, maybe on contabo, I don’t remember already, in principle, we already use contabo for a couple of years, maybe contabo, it was more until not it was just covid yes it was the beginning of the year that is. Well, yes, apparently she was on contabo and then the quality of ours was better than Jitsi, as it were, native, because yes, but Jitsi they also most likely increased their resources, they increased the frequency of processors, added, they also do not stand still

decide for yourself with people, you and Natalya decide for yourself who you take

we don’t have to immediately take him or her for, I don’t know, for life, we can take it there for 5 hours and see how it will be.

Well, yes. And if you arrange meetings with them, then you are all together?

Yes, also for two hours, let's say the time suits me, two hours suits me

Okay, then I'll deal with someone.

Negotiate. And from others it is necessary to slowly pull information from others and on their wiki

on the wiki, as it were, and

let's go let's go let's go until our wikis are on the farm, which is on the hetzner, I think that we need to start from the other side, we need to look for Muhammad and look at our cluster first,

what's wrong with him

since such a problem, there is something we do not have a Jitsi problem there, this is our proxmox problem. Firstly, firstly, these machines, that is, well, that is, they do not work as slowly, not only very slowly, as you used to, but how I would like it to be better anyway.

I think I don’t know how I feel, I’m quite possibly mistaken, but it seems to me that we need to do this kind of cluster separately on Jitsi and do everything on contaba on digital ocean and on the hetzner part and the one on the hetzner, we need to put on the third machine, which is 128 GHz, which is fast, which is powerful, because there is no SSD, but for Jitsi SSD is not needed at all, in principle, because there are no databases, you do not need to make a request to the disk. So it should, but if we put it there simply as one, it must fly, it must simply fly, it must fly like an airplane. Contabo and digital ocean, for example, they will be in reserve for us if something is not right there. I think so, but we will find some option in any case with someone we will find an option and with a consultant it will be even faster.

Then, Sonya, we can try together exactly there, let's say there you can go into the room for several people

Chat? I don't know by the way, I hope so

Yes, I'm also interested

Organize, by the way

Sonya, where does she not let you in there and what does she write there? and you send me.

Well, yes, I sent you a screenshot by mail, but I just updated it again and everything was fine, I don’t know what it was,

but it wrote to me that in order to continue the chat I must have a verified payment method

Well, I already wrote a couple of messages there. Then I go in, she writes to me like that, and now I go in again and that's it, and the chat returned back to what it was. They make mistakes, if we talk about their technological upwork, this one they have a lot of them and, as it were, something else is not available, they very often have technical problems, so I think that this is some kind of just a grinch if it repeats then this one

maybe from the fact that I went in, that is, the principle from the moment I was told to the moment that's how everything turned out for you I did only one thing I went there and left

maybe because I went in, they somehow updated everything there. Or maybe they just have some kind of trouble. They often write often there, let’s say we’re not available today, that is, they have technical problems, especially as they had the first time they had at all that the site was not working

when they merged it was oDesk and Elance when they first merged there for weeks they could not work

strange, they could hire some kind of expert. Yes, they are there and they are sitting on experts, they could

Well, then interview, choose if you need something from me, well, let me be here, and if you already start meetings, that is, we need specific questions for the meetings, somehow prepare for them, so that it didn't work out there

at some point it will turn out that I need to talk and organize everything, as it was before. If you produce everything, in principle, Carolina, well, there was something to work on, but in general, at least she did something that would be, what to expect, respectively, from these people too. If they make some kind of virtual machine, we are in an interview, Natalya, how are we, we can do something, we can basically come to us, right, without giving them access, but just on the screen, as I understand it? Well, in general, they have large loads, we should not have worse quality than theirs

Well, it used to be better, before we compared it with Misha, we compared both with this one with a zoom, so we compared with Jitsi, as it were, with their server, on which we are now. Ours then, which stood at that time, in my opinion, it was on the digital ocean, I could be wrong, maybe yes, maybe on contabo, I don’t remember already, in principle, we already use contabo for a couple of years, maybe contabo, it was more until not it was just covid yes it was the beginning of the year that is. Well, yes, apparently she was on contabo and then the quality of ours was better than Jitsi, as it were, native, because yes, but Jitsi they also most likely increased their resources, they increased the frequency of processors, added, they also do not stand still

decide for yourself with people, you and Natalya decide for yourself who you take

we don’t have to immediately take him or her for, I don’t know, for life, we can take it there for 5 hours and see how it will be.

Well, yes. And if you arrange meetings with them, then you are all together?

Yes, also for two hours, let's say the time suits me, two hours suits me

Okay, then I'll deal with someone.

Negotiate. And from others it is necessary to slowly pull information from others and on their wiki

on the wiki, as it were, and

let's go let's go let's go until our wikis are on the farm, which is on the hetzner, I think that we need to start from the other side, we need to look for Muhammad and look at our cluster first,

what's wrong with him

since such a problem, there is something we do not have a Jitsi problem there, this is our proxmox problem. Firstly, firstly, these machines, that is, well, that is, they do not work as slowly, not only very slowly, as you used to, but how I would like it to be better anyway.

I think I don’t know how I feel, I’m quite possibly mistaken, but it seems to me that we need to do this kind of cluster separately on Jitsi and do everything on contabo on digital ocean and on the hetzner part and the one on the hetzner, we need to put on the third machine, which is 128 GHz, which is fast, which is powerful, because there is no SSD, but for Jitsi SSD is not needed at all, in principle, because there are no databases, you do not need to make a request to the disk. So it should, but if we put it there simply as one, it must fly, it must simply fly, it must fly like an airplane. Contabo and digital ocean, for example, will be in reserve for us if something is not right there. I think so, but we will find some option in any case with someone we will find an option and with a consultant it will be even faster.