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| + | ==Website IA sprint (office hour, 06-24-2023) Script== | ||
| + | :Website IA sprint (office hour, 06-24-2023) is the office hour event on June, 24th about [[CNMCyber.com IA]] sprint. | ||
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| + | ===Preview video=== | ||
| + | :https://youtu.be/-l7gJNlinso?si=cswjkQ-tlkwrA2en (32:06) | ||
==Introduction== | ==Introduction== | ||
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:I wanted to post on the Meetup but I didn't on Monday we'll have another session discussing something else. | :I wanted to post on the Meetup but I didn't on Monday we'll have another session discussing something else. | ||
| − | :Erastus: Yes, that Monday we will have a discussion about some changes, I'm supposed to take over [[This week]] meetings. | + | :'''Erastus''': Yes, that Monday we will have a discussion about some changes, I'm supposed to take over [[This week]] meetings. |
| − | :Gary: This session will be recorded and will be posted on our channel. We are recording this is for other people who may participate, so they can know how it happened. | + | :'''Gary''': This session will be recorded and will be posted on our channel. We are recording this is for other people who may participate, so they can know how it happened. |
===Site Structure=== | ===Site Structure=== | ||
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:Breadcrumbs it's a good idea. Basically, breadcrumbs and site structure are a little bit related too because let's say if we have different areas on the side, they will reflect on breadcrumbs. | :Breadcrumbs it's a good idea. Basically, breadcrumbs and site structure are a little bit related too because let's say if we have different areas on the side, they will reflect on breadcrumbs. | ||
| − | :Erastus: My idea was that breadcrumbs might be on a certain page and you can be able to navigate. | + | :'''Erastus''': My idea was that breadcrumbs might be on a certain page and you can be able to navigate. |
| − | :Gary: it's a good idea, I love breadcrumbs. | + | :'''Gary''': it's a good idea, I love breadcrumbs. |
===Sitemaps=== | ===Sitemaps=== | ||
| − | :Gary: I'm not sure about sitemaps do you feel like it's a good idea? A list of all pages. | + | :'''Gary''': I'm not sure about sitemaps do you feel like it's a good idea? A list of all pages. |
| − | :Erastus: Probably in terms of SEO because I understand you were talking about the part of SEO as well. | + | :'''Erastus''': Probably in terms of SEO because I understand you were talking about the part of SEO as well. |
| − | :Gary: Yeah, the question is I'm not sure about XML sitemaps, whether they are automatically generated or not. Compared to Wiki, you can go to [[Special pages]] and you can see let's say all pages. It has a list of the pages, but it is not like a real sitemap because in this Wiki engine, all pages have kind of the same block value but technically it can be groups of pages. I don't know what you particularly meant, I am open to experimenting. | + | :'''Gary''': Yeah, the question is I'm not sure about XML sitemaps, whether they are automatically generated or not. Compared to Wiki, you can go to [[Special pages]] and you can see let's say all pages. It has a list of the pages, but it is not like a real sitemap because in this Wiki engine, all pages have kind of the same block value but technically it can be groups of pages. I don't know what you particularly meant, I am open to experimenting. |
| − | :Erastus: I kind of focused much on once the website is up, there is the idea of search engine optimization and sitemaps play a big role in that and in terms of ranking. | + | :'''Erastus''': I kind of focused much on once the website is up, there is the idea of search engine optimization and sitemaps play a big role in that and in terms of ranking. |
| − | :Gary: Could be, in the company which I worked for they didn't have it for SEO, mostly they work through content and like lists and links and many pages which were automatically updated every day because Google’s search engine will go through the pages and try to see where the activity is, where there is like any movement is and it basically ranks the pages higher as more activities there. We didn't work with the sitemaps but that was a long time ago so it might have changed. | + | :'''Gary''': Could be, in the company which I worked for they didn't have it for SEO, mostly they work through content and like lists and links and many pages which were automatically updated every day because Google’s search engine will go through the pages and try to see where the activity is, where there is like any movement is and it basically ranks the pages higher as more activities there. We didn't work with the sitemaps but that was a long time ago so it might have changed. |
| − | :Erastus: My understanding is that for a search engine to identify your website, the bots have to identify the XML, and sitemaps they use the sitemaps to rank, index, and crawling. For crawling, your website must have some sitemaps. | + | :'''Erastus''': My understanding is that for a search engine to identify your website, the bots have to identify the XML, and sitemaps they use the sitemaps to rank, index, and crawling. For crawling, your website must have some sitemaps. |
| − | :Gary: Sounds like you know better than me, so let's go for it. | + | :'''Gary''': Sounds like you know better than me, so let's go for it. |
:You don't like the wording “job offering”, in marketing they prefer offering meaning the general offering and offers it's more like specific like particular but if you feel like “job offers” is better then okay. | :You don't like the wording “job offering”, in marketing they prefer offering meaning the general offering and offers it's more like specific like particular but if you feel like “job offers” is better then okay. | ||
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:So you are moving somewhere you mentioned several important things but at the same time there is more work that needs to be done before someone will then create a front page because what we have right now the front page that we use is not the best. It needs to be updated. | :So you are moving somewhere you mentioned several important things but at the same time there is more work that needs to be done before someone will then create a front page because what we have right now the front page that we use is not the best. It needs to be updated. | ||
| − | :I would prefer to take [[CNMCyber.com Home | + | :I would prefer to take [[CNMCyber.com Home]] and move it to [[employable]] you probably take this out, the (Or allow our fellows to make some magic for you) section, keep (success stories) section, I will leave your apps and take out (Beyond CNMCyber, they can develop…)section. |
:But for CNMCyber since I decided this is a part of a big information architecture to leave this name CNMCyber for introductory jobs it makes sense to structure it that way. I remember like [[Welcome Session]], we build the front page on all these points, Job to begin with, New career, and Best-fit profession. | :But for CNMCyber since I decided this is a part of a big information architecture to leave this name CNMCyber for introductory jobs it makes sense to structure it that way. I remember like [[Welcome Session]], we build the front page on all these points, Job to begin with, New career, and Best-fit profession. | ||
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===2 (Erastus)=== | ===2 (Erastus)=== | ||
| − | : Erastus ran the second sprint in the second half of June 2023. He added several sections, and gave ideas for XML sitemaps, breadcrumbs, navigation menus, information grouping, and site functionality. No visual depictions were created yet. | + | : '''Erastus''' ran the second sprint in the second half of June 2023. He added several sections, and gave ideas for XML sitemaps, breadcrumbs, navigation menus, information grouping, and site functionality. No visual depictions were created yet. |
| − | :Gary: So we will give it to someone else. You did a good job anyway. Also, we need to put a category to this page. | + | :'''Gary''': So we will give it to someone else. You did a good job anyway. Also, we need to put a category to this page. |
:In [[CNMCyber.com IA]] there's no category too, we need to put categories. I will copy form [[CNM Website Projects]] and use that structure, I don't need to reinvent the wheel. | :In [[CNMCyber.com IA]] there's no category too, we need to put categories. I will copy form [[CNM Website Projects]] and use that structure, I don't need to reinvent the wheel. | ||
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:Basically it's what I prefer to see, is that you started the Sprint for this project, you created something, documented it, reported it and you moved on. | :Basically it's what I prefer to see, is that you started the Sprint for this project, you created something, documented it, reported it and you moved on. | ||
| − | :Erastus: That sounds good, it works like an agile project. | + | :'''Erastus''': That sounds good, it works like an agile project. |
| − | :Gary: yeah, could be. I'm playing with this basically it's kind of agile. Our challenge is and I wrote it there why I thought about how to create this new structure because people are coming, because we don't offer full-time long-term jobs for instance Sonia came learned something and moved on right Kevin left twice and got back three times. We need to do something that is more flexible because the goal of our CNM cyber jobs is like there are temperature jobs by definition. | + | :'''Gary''': yeah, could be. I'm playing with this basically it's kind of agile. Our challenge is and I wrote it there why I thought about how to create this new structure because people are coming, because we don't offer full-time long-term jobs for instance Sonia came learned something and moved on right Kevin left twice and got back three times. We need to do something that is more flexible because the goal of our CNM cyber jobs is like there are temperature jobs by definition. |
:Okay we're done for today, it was a good session see you on Monday and I will put it on the Meetup if I don't, remind me. | :Okay we're done for today, it was a good session see you on Monday and I will put it on the Meetup if I don't, remind me. | ||
Latest revision as of 15:33, 7 April 2024
Contents
Website IA sprint (office hour, 06-24-2023) Script
- Website IA sprint (office hour, 06-24-2023) is the office hour event on June, 24th about CNMCyber.com IA sprint.
Preview video
Introduction
- Welcome my name is Gary that is Erastus on the screen and we are in the office hour discussing about CNMCyber.com IA.
- I wanted to post on the Meetup but I didn't on Monday we'll have another session discussing something else.
- Erastus: Yes, that Monday we will have a discussion about some changes, I'm supposed to take over This week meetings.
- Gary: This session will be recorded and will be posted on our channel. We are recording this is for other people who may participate, so they can know how it happened.
Site Structure
- Site structure means what the areas of this website will have. The content page is good. It will be like many pages, how many pages do you envision? I assume that there will be hundreds of pages on this website.
- I meant it could be like navigation Pages, error page or contact page. It will be many basic Pages, kind of one page one topic one page.
Design
- Design means graphic design by the way and we need to book it like separately.
Breadcrumbs
- Breadcrumbs it's a good idea. Basically, breadcrumbs and site structure are a little bit related too because let's say if we have different areas on the side, they will reflect on breadcrumbs.
- Erastus: My idea was that breadcrumbs might be on a certain page and you can be able to navigate.
- Gary: it's a good idea, I love breadcrumbs.
Sitemaps
- Gary: I'm not sure about sitemaps do you feel like it's a good idea? A list of all pages.
- Erastus: Probably in terms of SEO because I understand you were talking about the part of SEO as well.
- Gary: Yeah, the question is I'm not sure about XML sitemaps, whether they are automatically generated or not. Compared to Wiki, you can go to Special pages and you can see let's say all pages. It has a list of the pages, but it is not like a real sitemap because in this Wiki engine, all pages have kind of the same block value but technically it can be groups of pages. I don't know what you particularly meant, I am open to experimenting.
- Erastus: I kind of focused much on once the website is up, there is the idea of search engine optimization and sitemaps play a big role in that and in terms of ranking.
- Gary: Could be, in the company which I worked for they didn't have it for SEO, mostly they work through content and like lists and links and many pages which were automatically updated every day because Google’s search engine will go through the pages and try to see where the activity is, where there is like any movement is and it basically ranks the pages higher as more activities there. We didn't work with the sitemaps but that was a long time ago so it might have changed.
- Erastus: My understanding is that for a search engine to identify your website, the bots have to identify the XML, and sitemaps they use the sitemaps to rank, index, and crawling. For crawling, your website must have some sitemaps.
- Gary: Sounds like you know better than me, so let's go for it.
- You don't like the wording “job offering”, in marketing they prefer offering meaning the general offering and offers it's more like specific like particular but if you feel like “job offers” is better then okay.
Personas
- I would say it's a good start, you didn't expand on personas because we didn't kind of find any.
Labels
- Labels and breadcrumbs are interrelated.
Idea
- Idea is separate from a site structure.
Comment
- So you are moving somewhere you mentioned several important things but at the same time there is more work that needs to be done before someone will then create a front page because what we have right now the front page that we use is not the best. It needs to be updated.
- I would prefer to take CNMCyber.com Home and move it to employable you probably take this out, the (Or allow our fellows to make some magic for you) section, keep (success stories) section, I will leave your apps and take out (Beyond CNMCyber, they can develop…)section.
- But for CNMCyber since I decided this is a part of a big information architecture to leave this name CNMCyber for introductory jobs it makes sense to structure it that way. I remember like Welcome Session, we build the front page on all these points, Job to begin with, New career, and Best-fit profession.
- Based on what you did, you did something which moved the information the information architecture further, it's not maybe kind of the first print but definitely not the last one.
- What I wanted you to do is use the discussion page and put let's say sprints.
Sprints
1 (Kevin)
- Kevin ran the first sprint in early-June of 2023. He reached out to CNMCyber customer while collecting business requirements and updated personas. Later, he moved to another project and Erastus took over the development.
- Gary: He didn't close his sprint, closing means presented like for instance right now you're presenting so you can say your sprint is closed and you can move to other projects.
2 (Erastus)
- Erastus ran the second sprint in the second half of June 2023. He added several sections, and gave ideas for XML sitemaps, breadcrumbs, navigation menus, information grouping, and site functionality. No visual depictions were created yet.
- Gary: So we will give it to someone else. You did a good job anyway. Also, we need to put a category to this page.
- In CNMCyber.com IA there's no category too, we need to put categories. I will copy form CNM Website Projects and use that structure, I don't need to reinvent the wheel.
- For now, I will use this page Hereafter the main page is called ``IA page`` and its development called the ``project`` is included in CNM Website Projects and occurs under the Website for CNMCyber endeavor.
- I'm missing the category too, I need to work with these categories but right now it looks okay because we will rename not as discussion page it will be a project page. On the wiki, every page will be the project and we will use this sprints and we'll talk to our next Media wiki contractor.
Wiki markup documentation
- With media Wiki by the way, we need also to update. So here in challenges after Guided tour we need to put Wiki markup documentation. I want to find the CSS file and take a look at what classes for instance for the tables are there. Based on the CSS file we can develop the markup documentation and we can also create a page on the mediawiki.org and it will be our getting back.
Discussion page rename
- Whomever will work on Media Wiki on this endeavor this person will ask and we can expand what we want and what we get
- So we need these categories.
Conclusion
- Basically it's what I prefer to see, is that you started the Sprint for this project, you created something, documented it, reported it and you moved on.
- Erastus: That sounds good, it works like an agile project.
- Gary: yeah, could be. I'm playing with this basically it's kind of agile. Our challenge is and I wrote it there why I thought about how to create this new structure because people are coming, because we don't offer full-time long-term jobs for instance Sonia came learned something and moved on right Kevin left twice and got back three times. We need to do something that is more flexible because the goal of our CNM cyber jobs is like there are temperature jobs by definition.
- Okay we're done for today, it was a good session see you on Monday and I will put it on the Meetup if I don't, remind me.
