CNM Tech Board 2023-06-15

CNM Technology Board 2023-6-15 - is the CNM Technology Board‎ event on 15 June.

CNM Technology Board 2023-5-24 is the predecessor event.

Agenda

Subject: CNM Technology Board

1. Opening remarks
2. Discussions (including past action reviews and hiring issues) on state of:
   • CNM Jitsi
   • CNM ProxmoxVE
   • CNM MediaWiki/CNM LDAP
   • CNM Tube/streaming
   • CNM Odoo
   • CNM HumHub
3. Any Other Business
4. Next Steps and Closing Remarks

Progress and action items

• CNM Jitsi:
  1. Gary to write to the selected Jitsi contractor with an invite to a meeting.
  2. Postpone until the current CNM ProxmoxVE sprint is closed or, at least, the current instance is finalized.
• CNM ProxmoxVE:
  1. Natalia to review Muhammed's, who is the ProxpoxVE contractor, credentials for access and to update Gary via email.
  2. Based on Natalia's update, Gary to invite Muhammed to review the farm and attend a meeting to present the progress made.
  3. Based on Muhammed's update, Gary to invite Joseph, who is our expert, to review the farm and attend a meeting to present the progress made.
• CNM MediaWiki/CNM LDAP:
  1. Natalia to experiment on Mediawiki and report on the progress made in the preceding meeting. Natalia also noted that she tried to update Mediawiki from version 1.38 to version 1.39, but one plugin was not supported.
  2. Based on Natalia's update, the board to make a decision in the presiding meeting regarding the media wiki contractor. Decide whether to proceed with the previous media wiki contractor, or move him to a separate CNM LDAP sprint. At any rate, we will look for more contractors since the bulk of MediaWiki challenges will not be resolved during the current sprint.
• CNM Tube/live streaming:
  1. Kevin to take over streaming and create requirements for the envisioned streaming goals.

Video

https://youtu.be/O0OkG5ukzlc (45:07)

CNM Technology Board 2023-6-22 is the preceding meeting

Script

Introduction and Welcome:

Kevin : So this meeting is being recorded and we are on the CNN Technology Board meeting on 15th June. In this call we have Gary and Natalia and we're going to talk about the following agendas and I'd like to share what we have on wiki which is more precise. Welcome everyone let's begin. I can invite you Gary to start us off with this agenda and then we can contribute as we go on.

Agenda Review:

Gary: So okay, so what I offer is just to go over what we have and we have a list right here and we will talk like where we are right now, what we are planning to do and what we, uh what we, kind of make a decisions where we will go right? Uh, your screen is not, I don't have like a sharpness on your screen. So I will, I will open it on my side

Kevin: Can you share your scree? Let me allow you to share your screen. So that we can capture it also in the recording.

Gary: Okay, but basically your screen is recorded but uhm, maybe we uhm, will get there, I just could open the link here and yeah! Okay, let's go, let's go we start with CNM JitsI right?

Kevin: Right.

CNM Jitsi:

Gary: So, so right now, what are our--what the situation is. We have one contractor whom we wanted to hire but this contractor withdrew the application so and I tried to communicate but it doesn't look like it's going anywhere. I don't know, should we continue to try to work with this contractor or we could offer working with someone else or what? Natalia what-what do you envision? What, where would we go from here? Because we have several contractors right? There are several so, should we- what is your oppinion? What do you think?

Natalia: About mediawiki or Jitsi?

Gary: We are talking about Jitsi right now. Because we, we wanted to-- As far as I understand, there was a problem with authorization so we couldn't get people to attend only, those who attend would be moderator who registered in the system right? We have this issue right?

Natalia: Right.

Gary: So what like, we've several people there right? So should we try to find kind of the first one who we liked or we could pick like someone else what, where we will go?

Natalia: Try to pick the first

Gary: The first one?

Natalia: Yes. I uh..

Gary: Who will do this? Because right now Sonia is kind of, we will talk tomorrow to her but like it sounds to me like uh she's slowing down. She kind of, she mentioned that she's slow down, she kind of she considers some other options so I'm not sure whether we kind of- She's active on this project. We can either move Kevin there or move Rita there or we can communicate on our own. How we will get out from this situation?

Kevin: So, the challenge is getting someone else or reaching the first person first person that you had found the first time?

Gary: Yeah, getting someone else but everyone is in the upwork we have no any other, we posted only under upwork and everything is in upwork. So, where we will we go right now. I don't have any. any plan. So because I feel like we're already contacted him once, twice. Maybe he misunderstood maybe we misunderstood. It may be some miscommunication but like what--what should we do with this?

Kevin: I would suggest like maybe try contacting him one more time and if he is not responsive in our next meeting we can just go with someone else.

Gary: What if we assigned you Kevin to kind of do this project and but you didn't finish your project too and we will get to this when we get to mediawiki.

Kevin: Okay, okay, I can pick it up from where Sonia left and then I have something to report the next time we're meeting on this, the technology board meeting

Gary: So, we kind of I will put you, I will stop sharing. Uh so do-- oh I have kind of another laptop. Give me one second.

Kevin: Okay.

Gary: Yeah, I have another laptop. So, right now what we left? Maybe right now he he is kind of feeling that we will reach out to him. Again he withdrew his application as far as like the upwork says that application is withdrawn and I sent him invite to an open project which was media Wiki and he didn't respond to this invite too. And um, and the last is, in our last communication right now. I am opening our last communication. The last discussion was, Danish wait a second records withdrawn. Okay cool, good-good. The last communication was, on June 7. Like two a week ago, eight days ago. He wrote, if you want to improve the Jitsi then we need to migrate it to better infrastructure and I said this is what Natalia is working on right now. We plan to invite you to review when she finishes and he said okay maybe-- Natalia, you moved CNM Jitsi to CNM ProxmoxVE right?

Natalia: Right

Gary: Where is it right now? It's under what URL?

Natalia: Inaudible (9:42)

Gary: Well what URL. Do you remember it was like; talk.bskol right? No?

Natalia: [talk.bskol.com]

Gary: Okay and uh-

Natalia: This is not a problem, problem is uh is jitsi and YouTube

Gary: Jitsi and what:

Natalia: YouTube.

Gary: Oh we're talking about streaming, streaming will be kind of another--

Natalia: Register it is not a big problem they can they, can they can some sort of--

Gary: But what, what I want. I want kind of to write to this contractor and I'm writing right now and I will write him that Natalia finished, maybe invite him to the conference, another conference and to resolve like together. Why not?

Kevin: Sure.

Gary: The same conferences we did before, to do a conference with him and kind of to solve this problem on the spot.

Kevin: Yeah, but you were saying he's not responsive.

Gary: He's responsive, for a strange reason so he responds on like to Communications but he kind of doesn't do anything in application process because we cannot hire him without his application and his application right now is withdrawn, this is the kind of the thing.

Kevin: Oh yeah, okay

Gary: Okay what should I write to him? Right now Natalia finished uh-- to make a kind of a meeting with him. Yes Natalia

Natalia: Yes, yes okay

Gary: What time?

Natalia: Uh what time? After six pm in Madrid.

Gary: Okay, okay got it. Okay, uhm-- can we have another conference call and discuss where we can go from here? Uh, okay I wrote right now Natalia finished can we have another conference call and discuss where we can go from here. Yeah sounds good to me, I sent to him. Uhm let's see what he will kind of reply but what I want him to take a look at our this particular instance talk.bskol.com because this is on the proxmox, so it should work better than the instance which we are using right now but we have this authorization issue which will resolve I'm sure and maybe we can also start talking about streaming. How we can make kind of the streaming possible, available yeah. Okay so I'm done with jitsi I feel like we're in a good we're in a good position. At least we're moving somewhere.

Kevin: Okay.

Gary: Let's go to proxmox

CNM ProxmoxVE

Gary: Natalia right now what we have with the proxmox, are we ready to invite Muhammad or we, what is our next step?

Natalia: Yes we are ready to invite Muhammad and I want him to see our work and estimate it.

Gary: Yeah review what we have done, okay so do you want me to write him immediately and invite him like what will we do? The same anytime after 6 PM in Madrid or we will slow down or what?

Natalia: Anytime, anytime I-- just hold on.

Gary: One second. I like that Kevin uhm confirmed the time with you, this time.

Natalia: I uh, I don't think we should delay this meeting with Muhammad.

Gary: Muhammad is more important? More urgent. Okay cool. Okay we'll see who will kind of answer and right now I'm writing to Muhammad and I'm writing like; Yes we are ready, and the same; can we have a conference call? Or will give-- how will we give him to review? Together with us or we'll just give him kind of success and and he will review without us or what we would, how do we want it?

Natalia: I want that he might review with access to our proxmox and then we can meet--

Gary: Okay cool, so he has all--all excesses right now? He has kind of the full access to proxmox, correct?

Natalia: I'll check it, uh when I set up approximate maybe some passwords were changed.

Gary: Okay, so send me kind of uh like review of his uh credentials and if he has access so email me and I will email him and I will email him first, I will ask him to review. Kind of to take a look we need to mention that we use the (inaudible) right instead of (inaudible) we change (inaudible) to (inaudible) right?

18:53 I have some some questions about uh about the windows VM and 19:00 um 19:12 yeah yeah yeah we can include it too maybe if he 19:18 knows he will kind of because not everyone works with Windows uh but if he 19:23 knows he will kind of maybe say something about this and then yeah and 19:30 then we will have a conference call with him right all right okay 19:36 sounds good to me let's move to Media weekend 19:42 so where we are where where are we Kevin you need to say something too you 19:50 kind of you you started and so so for now I I will say what is going 19:56 on in my view but I uh Natalia has more information 20:04 so uh so we kind of hired gentlemen with you 20:12 Kevin and and the first five hours from 20:19 our perception he didn't do anything just charge just 20:24 like open the screen kind of research something clicks on something 20:30 so he knows how to trick the system the first five hours from our views 20:40 he probably worked no more than 30 minutes maybe 20. most likely 15. uh 20:49 and then [Music] next but he started doing something next 20:55 week so five five hours you're in charge then he started doing something but also 21:03 like slowly slowly slowly then after eight hours 21:10 I wrote to him that kind of we're not sure that what he's 21:16 doing and I offered him to 21:23 kind of to discuss after this 21:28 he said that he will need three hours more no wait a second yes three hours 21:35 more eight more eight hours he needs like eight hours more 21:40 because I asked him directly kind of how many how many hours was in it he says 21:45 it's like I need eight hours more and after this he started doing like 21:51 kind of a lot of work he started really working and 21:59 and when he took the like I gave him five hours of allow 22:06 when he exhausted this five hours I 22:12 postponed the contract just kind of say we want to discuss we 22:18 want to decide because at that point I decided just to move this uh 22:30 and after and when contract was false 22:36 he started working even more and he did nothing and he did something 22:42 there is something which we don't know one of the plugins 22:49 is not supported not actually supported so and it is not clear right now whether 22:59 basically what we want to do can be done uh 23:05 but for now 23:11 yeah for now he wrote the less communication was with Natalia 23:17 here for accidentally are you working on the server and Natalia said I'm not 23:23 and after this he kind of it was no more communication so 23:30 Natalia do you what do you feel where we are how many hours does he need 23:38 whether we need to talk to him or we 23:43 will move to someone else or what how do you envision to kind of to together to 23:50 get to get out um so I made a slight mistake this course 23:59 she made a [Music] 24:04 much of work this this week and maybe not only this week and I I didn't see 24:15 where he worked and I I think I 24:23 I'm mistake and now now this week we made significant 24:31 progresses the almost there and 24:40 grow this approaching the task by Paul's name we can try on a different server to 24:49 attempt on connected my TV guitar on this time we have problem with this 24:58 version of media Wiki and Appliance button 25:09 experiment with this I think 25:16 we can work on this point and 25:24 if we [Music] um and maybe even need to ask him what he 25:31 thinks about the structure project so we we we we will will we experiment 25:38 first and then contact him or we want to contact him and experiment in parallel 25:46 I try to experiment this week but but only I I go go in our our motivated 25:55 version and start started work she he wrote me Natalia uh I think you work 26:05 I remember that I uh I can move to this program on our uh and on another server 26:15 and try uh continuous 26:21 obviously I I think he 26:27 made a lot of work yeah yeah 26:33 it's kind of the contract was proper he started he really started 26:39 working which was surprised 26:46 [Music] um 26:51 I don't know uh okay so like what what is our next steps so Natalia you will 26:58 experiment you'll try and see 27:04 we will get back next week and we will we will decide what what oh what 27:12 um I think we will back back next week but 27:18 but you can ask him about this project I I I see that that he tried to finish 27:29 this project and and receive videos about him work 27:37 okay I I again I like the guy 27:43 [Music] uh he has more experience in ldap than 27:49 on media weekend or PHP um 27:55 so we see but he is not like held up he's like he positioned himself as a system 28:02 admin so so we'll see uh 28:09 I will so on my side I will look for forward 28:15 hearing from you Natalia whether you finish experimenting 28:21 or you decided to contact him so then I will write something or you 28:29 will write on your own um and 28:35 and he if he asks 28:40 what is going on then I will answer that we are 28:47 kind of We Are doing something on our side right now and when we finish we will contact here 28:54 right okay so I I I try I try to change 29:03 um yeah 29:08 and [Music] repeat it 29:15 so from what from what version to what person we reaching did you try to change 29:22 uh one three eight now now now now version one one three 29:30 nine correct 29:36 uh I think we have some problem uh some problems is 29:44 to uh and and lying employing the employable 29:52 out yes one plugin is not supported wow they 30:00 have 140 pre-release it's like better testing 30:06 okay more news right 30:13 okay uh 30:20 got it so and then we also have like there are 30:26 more people there right Kevin what what did you do with the rest of people we have like a maybe like 12 did you do 30:34 anything you didn't you just kind of you dropped them and yeah there's this other 30:40 guy that we want to consider if the person we 30:47 admit our expectations if we had another one person that was I think from my view is qualified to 30:54 take up this position but the rest were not meeting our expectations so we only 31:00 have one person so okay 31:06 because we need to wrap up this project so people like we need either 31:11 communicate or kind of to get them but when you say that they are not meeting 31:17 our like expectations we didn't have like real expectations we 31:23 sat like what you wouldn't want to do like from like one two three four five 31:30 and so then say we want to work on one but but even like I remember we discussed 31:38 kind of this lady from from India and she said oh I will need 31:44 to research need to research maybe she already researched right and we wouldn't 31:49 know she kind of she was not prepared for our interview but 31:54 it doesn't mean that she she's not she cannot possibly do this what what we 32:02 need so uh 32:09 so where we will go from from there 32:14 we need just like wait for one week and see what 32:19 happens with with the one whom we hired and then we will decide right yeah 32:29 okay so I put separately ldap because 32:35 technically kind of the last contractor which who we heard from media Wiki he also touched 32:43 our Elder and our ldap we don't have any documentation at least like on the page 32:50 just it's nothing nothing on the page but we don't have 32:56 any coordinator to take over okay let's talk about streaming uh we 33:04 want to eventually we want to stream our events 33:10 we want to stream on YouTube immediately and we possibly want to stream on our 33:17 platform too and for now for our platform we use a 33:24 video right um at least like the last it will I've seen 33:31 maybe if I can do yes Cube Cinema cyber.com 33:37 we use a video platform right but no one really like does anything 33:43 with this we don't have any like any 33:49 coordinator for this and also there are more software 33:56 is available right now so a video is not maybe is not the best 34:03 part so again we wanted to start streaming 34:09 so like some people will be able to join our us on the Gypsy those who 34:18 those who can't participate in the confidence 34:23 but more other people we want to we don't want everyone to jump to the 34:31 Gypsy and I could say crash to the event right 34:36 so we want to kind of to stream and also it will make more easier on YouTube 34:43 and it's better for marketing purposes to stream on YouTube 34:49 uh uh Gypsy has its own streaming by the 34:54 way uh uh we may explore that one but then 34:59 the question is to upload videos on YouTube 35:05 uh I'm uploading to YouTube right now and you uploading 35:10 Kevin uh uh but maybe it's not kind of the best way maybe after 35:17 streaming it will be uploaded already uploaded right [Music] 35:24 so with the streaming how we can go what should we do enough 35:32 to consider should we post like another 35:37 job posting that if we need to make this job posting 35:45 let's say on upwork so what we will arrive there 35:50 and whom we will look for and who will recruit those people and 35:59 this is kind of the set of questions which I have 36:09 uh are you experienced do you have any 36:15 experience with streaming on YouTube Kevin yeah there's a time we did some research 36:21 on those and I think we can we can do it 36:27 yeah Sonia by the way did it Sonia streams on her channel uh 36:36 it's kind of a personal or like someone else's personal and we did this by streaming and 36:45 conference and then at the same time 36:50 do you want to kind of to take over this project sure Kevin yeah so like because we need 37:01 to we need to create requirements create like what we want to do 37:06 like in the best case scenario I would prefer to stream simultaneously on our 37:12 platform because we want to our technology on YouTube and 37:23 and yeah when I say our platform it may not 37:29 be a video maybe we can switch because right now again when I go to 37:40 and I will put let's say YouTube YouTube phones right alternatives 37:50 and I put like open source ear tube is decentralized it's not we 38:00 it's not a good option new type sounds much better and has many kind of good 38:06 reviews uh 38:12 but it's only for Android right maybe I'm not not kind of the best 38:21 individuals also have many reviews 38:33 lightweight liberal it'll be awry debris 38:45 did you see 38:56 I heard about media I remember when we considered uh 39:02 a video will also taking a look at media ball Goblin 39:07 we a video because it was called 39:13 uphp tube and we at that time we really wanted to have PHP we kind of like fish 39:22 in yeah this one this is what we picked 39:28 this is right now it's called a video 39:34 but you see for instance here they have like a 16 reviews 39:40 and it doesn't look like they are moving 39:46 like as fast as the others it made me feel like viable 39:52 viable option but I will but I will explore something else maybe 40:00 it could be something which will better fit our needs 40:07 Okay Kevin kind of take a look at this project and kind of thing for like how 40:13 we can organize streaming on our platform YouTube yeah enough to 40:19 stream our events some of them maybe at all but some of them 40:26 at least like I want more experience and more if knowledge involved and 40:33 it's kind of it's a good good move from there and we also talk to some who could 40:41 have Gypsy for us maybe they can say something 40:49 we have time maybe right now we're talking for 45 minutes already maybe to 40:57 move them to the next they are not urgent okay we can review 41:05 yeah move to the next meeting [Music] 41:10 anything else around no 41:20 this way we will go on the record 41:25 the only like the only issue which I have to call the names of the contractors 41:32 before we awarded the contract which is kind of not 41:37 and I for that reason I cannot show let's say 41:43 um the account with the names because some of them May 41:48 kind of may say oh when I applied for this job I didn't 41:54 mean that he will discuss me on on the YouTube right 42:00 maybe make some sense we need to resolve this issue maybe we 42:06 will code our contractors somehow or maybe use an issue kind of to review 42:16 um we also need to have kind of have more 42:23 like line of communication like as I mentioned yesterday like social otherwise 42:32 otherwise it's a good meeting Kim thank you for organizing it 42:38 you did kind of you put on the Meetup you feel good and 42:44 you kind of create the agenda which was also the job 42:54 Natalia do you want to say anything are we oh we are we are Journey 43:06 I like doing it I was thinking okay 43:12 [Music] 43:19 we will do like more more specific instead of just general like for General 43:25 stuff more than one week once a week now doesn't make sense just to over you to 43:31 go over no but we may consider some more 43:38 like specific more focused focused good work like say focus on 43:45 it's here or else or media weekend 43:50 anyway and I plan like as soon as you post this video on YouTube I'll have 43:58 planning I'm I'm planning to invite more people we work with some contractor 44:05 just kind of to stay in touch with them say like what is our problems are maybe 44:14 some some will get back specifically I'm thinking about 44:19 uh museums who did our 44:27 virtual virtual VPS cluster virtual private server cluster 44:35 maybe he he expressed the interest in basically participation and coordination 44:41 and we can like send a link to him 44:47 so I'm looking forward to you so you posting this on on YouTube anyway 44:52 thank you thank you so much and great job and I'm looking forward and I 44:59 will meet Natalia tomorrow and I will meet Kevin on Tuesday or Wednesday right 45:07 yes